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Message posted by One Faith on October 30 2009 at 11:18 am - IP Logged
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LOL!  Wow, I get called out.  I'm so honored.

I don't even know where to begin to shoot all of this down.  Too many scriptures to name, and all of them will go ignored... again.


Message posted by One Faith on October 30 2009 at 2:51 pm - IP Logged
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I only need one scripture, but of course you'd find a way to twist it into meaning something that it doesn't say.  So what's the point?  Here it goes anyway.

1 Timothy 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons

According to this scripture, it is POSSIBLE for someone to fall away from the faith.  Done.  That's all anyone should need.  But there are several more scriptures to prove this.

Now, there are scriptures that talk about how no one can snatch you out of the Father's hand and all that, and of course I agree with them.  However, someone will use those verses saying that someone can't fall away.  Well, my take is that IF (the biggest little word in the dictionary) IF we continue to walk in the light THEN we continue to be His, AND nothing can take us away from Him.  That's also in the scriptures.  Ya see, you have to use scripture to expose the meaning in other scriptures. 


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1 Timothy 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons

 

They fell away from the Faith, a profession in a doctrine, but nothing is said about falling away from salvation..

Show a vers that says you can loose eternal Life..or you can loose your faith..for Faith in the believer is kept by the power of God:

1 pet 1:5

Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.



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I am what I am by the Sovereign Grace of God

Message posted by One Faith on November 03 2009 at 11:39 am - IP Logged
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So, falling away from the faith, doesn't actually mean what it's saying.  Riiiiight...

So God is a God of confusion now?

The faith doesn't mean the actual faith to fall away from.  It just means some kind of different faith.  Yeah, that makes sense.  Not.

Galatians 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

I guess that doesn't really mean being severed from Christ either.  And that must be falling from a different KIND of grace.

Man, you guys will do anything to find a way around what the Bible actually says.


Message posted by One Faith on November 04 2009 at 2:36 pm - IP Logged
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Galatians 2:11 - But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

Yeah, so much for someone who can't lose their salvation, huh?  If Peter had decided to continue doing what he did and ignore Paul, then yes, he could've "lost" his salvation.  Paul himself said he stood condemned.

what Paul is stating here is that judiazers who deceitfully instruct others they need works in order to justify themselves are severed from Christ.

Those "others" are Christians.  You cannot be severed from something you were never attached to.

Those who listen to them and stumble and then are corrected do not lose their salvation.

Agreed.

in fact how many times was Paul shipwrecked ... and survived ...

Thrice.  :-)

And for your rambling second post there.  I don't believe in "works based salvation" so I guess I don't need to comment.


Message posted by One Faith on November 05 2009 at 6:25 am - IP Logged
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John 15:16 -"You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you

So what was Judas' role?  Was he not also "chosen?"  See, this is another example of you just picking out scripture when you think it meets what you're saying when it actually does not.

The apostles were human beings, just like the rest of us.  Capable of sinning and choosing to walk a different path.  They received the Spirit of power and preached the gospel as recorded in Acts and other places, but that doesn't mean they couldn't walk away from it.


Message posted by One Faith on November 05 2009 at 6:28 am - IP Logged
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but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail

The Word also says that God doesn't want ANY to perish, but to come to repentance.  That certainly doesn't mean that everyone is saved.  Context is almost completely lost on you isn't it?


Message posted by One Faith on November 05 2009 at 6:48 am - IP Logged
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I never said anything about Peter repenting.  Man, you sure can mix and match thoughts to your own destruction.

I said that God requires all of us to repent.  That's what the word says, so Peter would've HAD to have repented in order to be right with God.  That's just common sense.

Now, Peter was a disciple of Jesus when Jesus prayed that prayer.  Where did I say anything about Peter repenting there?  Hmm?  Oh you just made some stuff up and made yourself look foolish again.  That's right.


Message posted by Reece on November 05 2009 at 11:09 am - IP Logged
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Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, BLUE]wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?[

Message posted by Reece on November 05 2009 at 2:20 pm - IP Logged
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Marco,
I believe everything the bible says. Don't you?

Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant,[wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

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