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Message posted by Reece on November 18 2009 at 1:17 pm - IP Logged
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Reece

 
United States
August 09 2003
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Marco,
Jesus told Nicodemus unless a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. This was not a prophetic, future, truth, but one that existed.

The proof is that he expected Nicodemus to have understanding of that fact.

"Reece has to show where in the OT anyone was saved according to John 3"

God gave Saul a new heart, that is called being born again.

Message posted by momac on November 19 2009 at 10:57 am - IP Logged
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momac

 
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October 06 2002
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Marco,
First you quote a kindergarten version of the bible to make a point, and that after castigating me that I wasn't qualified to speak about greek. 1Sa 10:6 The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person. (NIV) It is not the prophesying that changed him, it was the Spirit of the Lord coming upon and in. The reason we know the Spirit came within is because he was changed into a different person (born again).

Saul was given a new heart. Saul had the Holy Spirit taken from him. Saul lost his salvation, David didn't. Ever read Psalm 51?

Ps 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Who do you think David has in mind when he is making this prayer? David had committed gross sins, but the difference between him and Saul is that God didn't take the Holy Spirit from David. Saul lost his salvation, David didn't. David was fearful it could happen, hence his prayer in Psalm 51. A prayer I might add was inspired by the Holy Spirit.


Message posted by mrscripture on July 26 2010 at 8:32 am - IP Logged
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mrscripture

 
Canada
July 12 2010
259 Posts

 Saul lost his salvation,

Then Saul said to Samuel, "I have sinned; I have indeed transgressed the command of the LORD ... As Samuel turned to go, Saul seized the edge of his robe, and it tore. 28 So Samuel said to him, "The LORD has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today and has given it to your neighbor, who is better than you. 29 .... 30Then he (Saul)  said, "I have sinned; but please honor me now before the elders of my people and before Israel, and go back with me, that I may worship the LORD your God." 31 So Samuel went back following Saul, and Saul worshiped the LORD.

Surely there was no one like Ahab who sold himself to do evil in the sight of the LORD, because Jezebel his wife incited him.  He acted very abominably in following idols, according to all that the Amorites had done, whom the LORD cast out before the sons of Israel.  It came about when Ahab heard these words, that he tore his clothes and put on sackcloth and fasted, and he lay in sackcloth and went about despondently. 28Then the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying, 29 "Do you see how Ahab has humbled himself before Me? Because he has humbled himself before Me, I will not bring the evil in his days, but I will bring the evil upon his house in his son's days."

For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance .....



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Message posted by mrscripture on July 26 2010 at 8:45 am - IP Logged
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mrscripture

 
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July 12 2010
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I believe everything the bible says. Don't you?

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;  and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.  "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

 



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